"My brother always makes me wear this stupid mask. Do you know why? Because I'm prettier than him." There is no doubt, he is far prettier than his brother! Join your faithful Grue Crew - Doc Rotten, Chad Hunt, Bill Mulligan, and Jeff Mohr - as they visit Mr. Slausen’s Lost Oasis in Tourist Trap, the film which Stephen King says, “wields an eerie, spooky power.”
Decades of Horror 1970s
Episode 102 – Tourist Trap (1979)
Teenagers come across a shut-in psychopath with telekinetic powers. He proceeds to use these powers to slay them one by one as well as animate the various mannequins he uses to keep himself company.
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Your Decades of Horror 1970s Grue Crew all agree Tourist Trap is an underrated film. In fact, they all admit to paying it little heed in passing until they took a closer look for this podcast. Bill brings up Pino Donaggio’s quirky score and Robert Burns’ art direction and mask designs as contributing factors to the film’s creepiness. The first kill scene really got to Chad as Woody meets his demise in a seemingly abandoned gas station and don’t even mention the hands! Jeff gives some background on Chuck Connors’ athletic exploits prior to becoming an actor and points out an early uncredited role for scream queen Linnea Quigly.
The Grue Crew give Tourist Trap a solid recommendation with the following caveat: be prepared to watch a very odd film. Despite its oddness, you will be watching a very creepy and powerful take on slasher films in this hidden gem from 1979.
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It's 1968 in America. Change is blowing in the wind...but seemingly far removed from the unrest in the cities is the small town of Mill Valley where for generations, the shadow of the Bellows family has loomed large. It is in their mansion on the edge of town that Sarah, a young girl with horrible secrets, turned her tortured life into a series of scary stories, written in a book that has transcended time-stories that have a way of becoming all too real for a group of teenagers who discover Sarah's terrifying tome.
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“Hand down the Shark-repellent Batspray!” Let’s hope the Boy Wonder doesn’t get it confused with the Barracuda-repellent Batspray. That could create a toothy problem for the Caped Crusader. Join this episode’s Grue Crew - Joseph Perry, Whitney Collazo, Chad Hunt, and Jeff Mohr - as they join Batman and Robin in their fight against the United Underworld in Batman: The Movie (1966).
Decades of Horror: The Classic Era
Episode 62 – Batman: The Movie (1966)
The Dynamic Duo faces four supervillains who plan to hold the world for ransom with the help of a secret invention that instantly dehydrates people.
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Of course, the Classic Era Grue Crew knows Batman: The Movie is not a horror movie, but they just couldn’t help themselves. From the beginning of the podcast, they’ve been making connections between the film they discussed and Batman (TV-Series. 1966-1968) and even some of the Batman films. It was inevitable that they would eventually pull the Bat-trigger and feature this 1966 film. Joseph was the one who finally put it on the schedule and everyone had beaucoup Bat-fun covering this Batman: The Movie.
Chad points out Adam West wasn’t a shoo-in for the role of Batman and encourages us to check out Lyle Waggoner’s screentest on YouTube. Other works in horror by the cast and crew are identified by Joseph while Jeff focuses on other screenplays written by Lorenzo Semple Jr. Whitney notices Adam West’s version of Batman is more nurturing toward Robin than most later depictions. If you haven’t seen this campy and fun film, your Grue Crew highly recommends you watch Batman: The Movie in the near future!
If you’re unaware of the Decades of Horror: The Classic Era’s many connections to the Batman TV-series, you might want to check out these episodes: Frank Gorshin (The Riddler) in 48. Invasion Of The Saucer Men (1957), Vincent Price (Egghead) and Elish Cook Jr. (Prof. Isaacson in 17. House On Haunted Hill (1959), Carolyn Jones (Queen of Diamonds) in 24. Invasion Of The Body Snatchers (1956) and 25. House Of Wax (1953), and Alan Napier (Alfred) in 18. The Uninvited (1944) and 37. Cat People (1942). There are a lot more so go to it!
The Decades of Horror: The Classic Era Grue Crew plan to release a new episode every three weeks. The next episode in our very flexible schedule will be The Wizard of Oz (1939), the first experience many children have with being scared to death by a movie.
Please send us feedback on the films we cover, ideas for future films, or the podcast itself. After all, without you, we’re just four horror freaks talking about the films we love. Send us an email at feedback@gruesomemagazine.com or leave us a message, a review, or a comment at GruesomeMagazine.com, iTunes, the Gruesome Magazine Horror News Radio Facebook group or your friendly neighborhood podcast aggregator.
To each of you from each of us, “Thank you so much for listening!”
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In the summer of 1985 in Hawkins, the new Starcourt Mall has become the focal point of the town, driving other stores out of business. Sheriff Jim Hopper is conflicted over Eleven and Mike's budding relationship, while Joyce considers moving out of Hawkins for better prospects, leaving the state of the children's friendships and her own relationship with Hopper in the air. However, strange power fluctuations trigger Will's awareness of something otherworldly, and Eleven and Max sense something is off about the town's residents, and despite having closed the portal to the Upside Down, fears that they are all in danger from it still.
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"Let it be known, sons and daughters, that Satan was an acid-head. Drink from his cup. Pledge yourselves. And together, we'll aaaalll freak out!" And indeed, your Grue-Crew did freak out. Join your faithful Grue Crew - Doc Rotten, Chad Hunt, Bill Mulligan, and Jeff Mohr - as they kick off their next one-hundred episodes with this truly wondrous, groovy, and gory film from 1970, I Drink Your Blood!
Decades of Horror 1970s
Episode 101 – I Drink Your Blood (1970)
A band of satanist hippies roll into a town and begin terrorizing the local folk. They rape a local girl and her grandpa goes after them. He fails and is given LSD. This bothers his grandson and he gets back at the hippies by feeding them meat pies infected with blood from a rabid dog. They turn into crazed lunatics and begin killing and/or infecting everything in their path.
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Not surprisingly, there is a lot to say about I Drink Your Blood and the 70s Grue-Crew is up to the task. Bill proclaims that with the right distribution and marketing, this film might have been as influential as Night of the Living Dead. The memory of The Black Saint is invoked by Chad as he recounts how Santos talked of the giant syringe that came with a special edition of I Drink Your Blood, just in case you needed to inject someone’s food (meat pies work the best) with the blood of some rabid animal. Doc has an unusual interpretation of the “foaming-at-the-mouth” effect used by the filmmakers but the rest of the Grue-Crew really don’t want to go there. The opening scene, including the strategically placed sword hilt, was all Jeff needed to see to go all-in on I Drink Your Blood. They universally proclaim the boy as the best character in the film as he unintentionally wreaks havoc on the local citizenry while seeking revenge on the satanist hippies.
Your Grue-Crew highly recommends I Drink Your Blood, but cautions that there are a lot of different versions out there. Even the version on Shudder is missing a couple of key scenes. Doc and Chad viewed a version on Youtube that seems to be the most complete and includes a final scene that is much truer to the decade’s vibe.
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A young woman, while attempting to save her father during a Category 5 hurricane, finds herself trapped in a flooding house and must fight for her life against alligators.
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“Doctor, you’ll perform an autopsy!” “On a body that’s turned to stone?” Wait a minute! Isn’t that a Joe Walsh song? Join this episode’s Grue Crew - Whitney Collazo, Joseph Perry, and Jeff Mohr - as they struggle to avert their eyes from the horrors of The Gorgon (1964).
Decades of Horror: The Classic Era
Episode 61 – The Gorgon (1964)
In the early twentieth century, a Gorgon takes human form and terrorizes a small European village by turning its citizens to stone.
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Although The Gorgon is infamous for its startlingly bad version of a Medusa-like head full of snakes, the Grue-Crew found plenty to like. The film scores first with Terence Fisher as director and again with a Hammer hat-trick in its three stars: Peter Cushing, Christopher Lee, and Barbara Shelley. Whitney points out how ineffective Peter Cushing’s character is at controlling and manipulating the women in his life and how forceful and strong Barbara Shelley is as the lead female character. Joseph loves the almost swashbuckling fight between Peter Cushing’s and Richard Pasco’s characters. Jeff agrees and identifies the strength of the opening scenes as what drew him into The Gorgon.
Your Grue-Crew think this might have been a top-notch Hammer Film if not for the poor snake effects on the title character's head. As is, The Gorgon, though maybe not a must-see film, is most definitely a film you should see.
If you’re a Hammer Horror fan, you might want to check out our episodes on The Curse of Frankenstein (1957) and Nightmare (1964). The Decades of Horror: The Classic Era Grue Crew plan to release a new episode every other week. The next episode in our very flexible schedule will be Batman: The Movie (1966)! Yes, you read that right!
Please send us feedback on the films we cover, ideas for future films, or the podcast itself. After all, without you, we’re just four horror freaks talking about the films we love. Send us an email at feedback@gruesomemagazine.com or leave us a message, a review, or a comment at GruesomeMagazine.com, iTunes, the Gruesome Magazine Horror News Radio Facebook group or your friendly neighborhood podcast aggregator.
To each of you from each of us, “Thank you so much for listening!”
“Haven't you found anybody to put in your straight jacket yet?” “No, but I will by the time I leave.” Good luck with that! Join this episode’s Grue Crew - Joseph Perry, Chad Hunt, and Jeff Mohr - when they book a room in an old dark house and try to identify who is the cat and who is the canary in Paul Leni’s silent classic, The Cat and the Canary (1927).
Decades of Horror: The Classic Era
Episode 60 – The Cat and the Canary (1927)
Relatives of an eccentric millionaire gather in his spooky mansion on the 20th anniversary of his death for the reading of his will.
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The Classic Era Grue Crew has a lot of fun with this founding member of the “Old Dark House” subgenre of films. Chad enjoyed viewing The Cat and the Canary with the knowledge that what later become classic tropes, were being viewed in this film for the first time by a lot of people. It is the shadows and lighting that wowed Jeff when he first saw this silent classic, but this time around, it was all about the actors, the characters, and the humor. Joseph points out how Universal’s Carl Laemmle hired Paul Leni, whose roots are in German expressionism, with the purpose of adapting the form for American audiences in The Cat and the Canary. Your Grue Crew highly recommends this movie and don’t get us started on the plastic eye!
The Decades of Horror: The Classic Era Grue Crew plan to release a new episode every other week. Hey, where else will you hear podcasts on films ranging from The Old Dark House (1932) to House on Haunted Hill (1959) to It! The Terror from Beyond Space (1958)? The next episode in our very flexible schedule will be Batman: The Movie (1966)! Yup! You read that right!
Please send us feedback on the films we cover, ideas for future films, or the podcast itself. After all, without you, we’re just four horror freaks talking about the films we love. Send us an email at feedback@gruesomemagazine.com or leave us a message, a review, or a comment at GruesomeMagazine.com, iTunes, the Gruesome Magazine Horror News Radio Facebook group or your friendly neighborhood podcast aggregator.
To each of you from each of us, “Thank you so much for listening!”
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While babysitting the daughter of Ed and Lorraine Warren, a teenager and her friend unknowingly awaken an evil spirit trapped in a doll.
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"In Space, No One Can Hear You Scream." You can, however, usually hear space ships blowing up. Go figure. On this, their 100th episode, join your faithful Grue Crew - Doc Rotten, Chad Hunt, Bill Mulligan, and Jeff Mohr - as they spend the night on the Nostromo, the science fiction version of an old dark house, with Ripley and the gang on the 40th anniversary of Alien (1979).
Decades of Horror 1970s
Episode 100 – Alien (1979)
After a space merchant vessel perceives an unknown transmission as a distress call, its landing on the source moon finds one of the crew attacked by a mysterious lifeform, and they soon realize that its life cycle has merely begun.
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As of June 22, 2019, it has been forty years since the release of Alien, so the Grue Crew thought it would be the perfect choice for the 100th episode of DoH 1970s. The film had a profound impact on each member of the Grue Crew, as it did on society as a whole. Over the course of this extended episode, it’s hard to tell what Doc, Chad, Bill, and Jeff like the most about the film. They unanimously trumpet nearly all aspects of the film: Ridley Scott’s direction, Dan O’Bannon’s script, each of the 9-member cast, H. R. Giger’s designs, and the practical effects.
Doc also tells a story about the first two times - well, maybe it was 1.5 times - he saw Alien. The craft of setting up a jump scare, even when the audience is expecting it, is discussed by Bill. Let’s face it. Everyone knew something was coming out of that egg, but everyone still jumped! Chad and Jeff first saw the film on HBO. Chad then took note of all future showings and took in as many as he could. Each of them had been lulled into a false sense of security by the films leisurely and uneventful pace, at least until the infamous face-hugger and chest-burster scenes maxed out their anxiety, tension, and fear. Your faithful Grue Crew trust that all of their listeners have seen Alien multiple times, but in this case, excess is never enough. Pull it up and watch it again, and again, and again.
To end the podcast, the Grue Crew look forward to the next 100 episodes and give a special thanks to The Black Saint. “Guard well the pips, and the fruit shall grow without let.”
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A mother gives her 13-year-old son a toy doll for his birthday, unaware of its more sinister nature.
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Longtime Horror News Radio listeners are sure to remember that HNR co-host and award-winning filmmaker Christopher G. Moore listed NIGHTMARE CINEMA on his top 10 horror films of 2018, having seen the film at the New York City Horror Film Festival in November. His admiration of the film made a strong impression the rest of the Grue-Crew making them incredibly curious about this new anthology film. Well, this week brings good news!
NIGHTMARE CINEMA is finally arriving on this Friday, June 21, 2019, and to celebrate Gruesome Magazine has declared this week Nightmare Cinema Week. With this special episode of Horror News Radio, the Grue-Crew present a special interview with the creature-actor and FX artist, Dirk Rogers.
Doc Rotten joins Christopher G. Moore to speak with Dirk Rogers who portrays two of the creatures featured in NIGHTMARE CINEMA. In Mick Garris' Dead segment, he is Mr. Stitches. In Ryûhei Kitamura’s short, he portrays the title monster, Mashit. Dirk shares his history with KNB, the effects they created for the film, and some behind the scenes secrets in creating this incredible anthology film. And, to Doc's delight, there's an unexpected discussion about Bruce the shark from Jaws.
"Last day. Capricorn 15's. Year of the city - 2274. Carousel begins." Normally, everyone loves a carousel, but you definitely don’t want a ride on this one. Join your faithful Grue Crew - Doc Rotten, Chad Hunt, Bill Mulligan, and Jeff Mohr - as they try to evade renewal (they’re all over 30, you know) while searching for Sanctuary in Logan’s Run.
Decades of Horror 1970s
Episode 99 – Logan’s Run (1976)
An idyllic science fiction future has one major drawback: life must end at the age of thirty
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Logan’s Run is one of Doc’s favorites from his youth. Admitting it can be a bit silly, he still thinks the themes the film deals with make it worth your time. Chad is a lover of Logan’s Run too and just can’t get over the disposal method used for terminated runners. Jenny Agutter is the big draw for Bill (as it is for his crewmates). He also remarks how Star Wars (1977) forever lowered where Logan’s Run fit in the hierarchy of science fiction-fantasy films. Having grown up with the mantra, “Never trust anyone over 30,” it makes sense that Jeff is attracted to the film’s premise and even though he’s not a big Michael York fan, he loved the supporting cast, especially Peter Ustinov and Roscoe Lee Browne. Your Grue Crew recommend Logan’s Run as a must-watch science fiction/fantasy film of the 1970s. Besides, who doesn’t love vine-covered monuments in Washington, D.C. and a whimsical Peter Ustinov on the floor of Congress surrounded by cats?
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“I sometimes foretell things that are frightening.” Please, tell us more! Join this episode’s Grue Crew - Whitney Collazo, Chad Hunt, Jeff Mohr, and special guest host Doc Rotten - as they take a deadly train ride with Dr. Terror who manipulates the cards in the tarot deck he refers to as his house of horrors in the aptly titled Dr. Terror’s House of Horrors.
Decades of Horror: The Classic Era
Episode 59 – Dr. Terror’s House of Horrors (1965)
Five strangers board a train and are joined by a mysterious fortune teller who offers to read their Tarot cards. Five separate stories unfold: An architect returns to his ancestral home to find a werewolf out for revenge; a doctor suspects his new wife is a vampire; an intelligent vine takes over a house; a jazz musician plagiarizes music from a voodoo ceremony; a pompous art critic is pursued by a disembodied hand.
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Dr. Terror’s House of Horrors is the first of seven portmanteaus produced by Amicus Productions. It has long been one of Doc’s favorites and he enthusiastically explains exactly why that is. Whitney is taken by the hand makeup in the “Werewolf” segment and also appreciates the disturbing art of Dr. Terror’s tarot deck. Jeff reveals that not only is “portmanteau” one of his favorite words but it’s also one of his favorite film structures. Chad reiterates his dread for disembodied hand scenes and manages to make a connection to the sinking of the Titanic. If you haven’t seen this Freddie Francis directed Cushing/Lee vehicle, your Grue Crew highly recommends you rectify the situation immediately!
The Decades of Horror: The Classic Era Grue Crew plan to release a new episode every other week. Hey, where else will you hear podcasts on films ranging from Dead of Night (1945) to The Hideous Sun Demon (1958) to Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1956)? The next episode in our very flexible schedule will be The Cat and the Canary (1927), Paul Leni’s silent classic of the “old dark house” subgenre.
Please send us feedback on the films we cover, ideas for future films, or the podcast itself. After all, without you, we’re just four horror freaks talking about the films we love. Send us an email at feedback@gruesomemagazine.com or leave us a message, a review, or a comment at GruesomeMagazine.com, iTunes, the Gruesome Magazine Horror News Radio Facebook group or your friendly neighborhood podcast aggregator.
To each of you from each of us, “Thank you so much for listening!
This is HORROR NEWS RADIO, the official GRUESOME MAGAZINE podcast. Back with Doc Rotten once again are the scariest, goriest, bloodiest co-hosts on the 'Net.
The peaceful town of Centerville finds itself battling a zombie horde as the dead start rising from their graves.
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Wrapping up NIGHTMARE CINEMA WEEK on Gruesome Magazine, the Grue-Crew review the film NIGHTMARE CINEMA. Christopher G. Moore caught the film at its New York City Horror Film Festival premiere and placed it on his best horror films of 2018 list. Finally, as the film is set to release on June 21, 2019, the Grue-Crew have all seen the film and now gather to discuss the anthology, the segments, the highlights, and the gore. Join Dave Dreher, Doc Rotten, Vanessa Thompson, and Christopher G. Moore as the review NIGHTMARE CINEMA on this special edition of HORROR NEWS RADIO.
Five strangers converge at a haunted movie theater owned by The Projectionist (Mickey Rourke). Once inside, the audience members witness a series of screenings that shows them their deepest fears and darkest secrets over five tales.
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Longtime Horror News Radio listeners are sure to remember that HNR co-host and award-winning filmmaker Christopher G. Moore listed NIGHTMARE CINEMA on his top 10 horror films of 2018, having seen the film at the New York City Horror Film Festival in November. His admiration of the film made a strong impression the rest of the Grue-Crew making them incredibly curious about this new anthology film. Well, this week brings good news!
NIGHTMARE CINEMA is finally arriving on this Friday, June 21, 2019, and to celebrate Gruesome Magazine has declared this week Nightmare Cinema Week. With this special episode of Horror News Radio, the Grue-Crew present a special interview with the director, Ryuhei Kitamura, the man behind films such as Versus, The Midnight Meat Train, and Godzilla: Final Wars.
Join Christopher as he sits down with the director to discuss his segment of NIGHTMARE CINEMA, Mashit. This short plays on 70s possession film trope with a healthy splash of Italian Giallo. Mr. Kitamura gets into the casting, the challenges of working with kids, and all the gore in the final scenes. And, of course, he discusses the demon Mashit as well. Fun times!
Longtime Horror News Radio listeners are sure to remember that HNR co-host and award-winning filmmaker Christopher G. Moore listed NIGHTMARE CINEMA on his top 10 horror films of 2018, having seen the film at the New York City Horror Film Festival in November. His admiration of the film made a strong impression the rest of the Grue-Crew making them incredibly curious about this new anthology film. Well, this week brings good news!
NIGHTMARE CINEMA is finally arriving on this Friday, June 21, 2019, and to celebrate Gruesome Magazine has declared this week Nightmare Cinema Week. With this special episode of Horror News Radio, the Grue-Crew present a special interview with the director, David Slade.
This is a special treat for Christopher G. Moore, the Grue-Crew, and listeners of the Hannibal Fan Podcast as David Slade directed a number of episodes of the Hannibal TV show along with the films 30 Days of Night, Bandersnatch, and Hard Candy. His short "This Way to Egress" is the most experimental of the bunch providing a wonderful and informative conversation with the director we are sure you will enjoy.
Longtime Horror News Radio listeners are sure to remember that HNR co-host - and award-winning filmmaker - Christopher G. Moore listed NIGHTMARE CINEMA on his top 10 horror films of 2018, having seen the film at the New York City Horror Film Festival in November. His admiration of the film was strong making the rest of the Grue-Crew incredibly curious about this new anthology film. Well, this week brings good news!
NIGHTMARE CINEMA is finally arriving on this Friday, June 21, 2019, and to celebrate Gruesome Magazine has declared this week Nightmare Cinema Week. With this special episode of Horror News Radio, the Grue-Crew present a special interview with the director and creator of Nightmare Cinema, the legendary Mick Garris.
Join Christopher as he sits down with the man with the plan himself to discuss gathering the talent to craft this anthology, working with Mickey Rourke, and directing his segment titled "Dead". And, if you listen closely, he may even tease the possibility of a Nightmare Cinema 2.
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A lonely woman befriends a group of teenagers and decides to let them party at her house. Just when the kids think their luck couldn't get any better, things start happening that make them question the intention of their host.
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Join the Grue-Crew for a special episode of Horror News Radio recorded live at Con Carolinas 2019 in Charlotte, NC. HNR cohost Christopher G. Moore shares the stage with Whitney Collazo from Decades of Horror: The Classic Era, Crystal Cleveland from the Gruesome Magazine podcast, and Bill Mulligan from Decades of Horror: 1970s for an intimate discussion about horror films.
The Crew discusses the films that most influenced their passion for horror films, the directors that speak to them with their work, and obscure classics that need to get more genre love. Not only is the conversation lively and entertaining and informative, but it also gives the Grue-believers a wonderful opportunity to get to know the cast and crew behind the Gruesome Magazine podcasts - see what makes them tick! You might be surprised by what you learn with this episode. Fun!